Everyone's Agnostic Podcast
Cass & Bob interview people you don't know about a subject no one wants to talk about--losing faith in the supernatural.
Episode 35 - Dr. Marlene Winell

Guest: Dr. Marlene Winell , author of “Leaving the Fold,” and founder of journeyfree.org.  Marlene was the daughter of Christian missionaries in China with the Assemblies of God.  She left Christianity later in life due to the sexism, the notion of original sin, the dichotomy of saved and damned, and the broken promises within scripture.  She now counsels people and leads retreats for those damaged by religion.  She calls it Religious Trauma Syndrome or RTS.  

Leaving one's religion can be a difficult, painful and lonely pilgrimage, but the payoffs are great.  As Marlene writes in her book, “…there was no turning back. The mental and emotional doors to the future had been opened. The honesty and gut-level confrontation with my humanness - the good, the bad, and the ugly - was delicious.”  

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 This show was taped on February 28th, 2015. 


"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" introduction by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU
"Never Know" by Jack Johnson
“Fix You” by Coldplay
We discussed:
Religious Trauma Syndrome
Christian Fundementalism
The Jesus Movement
Calvary Chapel
The perpetual urgency of the return of Christ
(aka Bad Prom Date)
The pain of leaving religion is correlated to the degree in which one was invested in it
Shattered Assumption Theory
Walt Whitman – Song of Myself
Quote from Charles Eliot Norton: “One may sigh for all that one loses in giving up the old religion…but the new irreligion is the humaner, honester, and simpler thing, and a affords a better theory of life and a more solid basis for morality.” 
Direct download: Episode_35_Marlene_Winell.mp3
Category:humanism -- posted at: 1:43pm CDT

Episode 34 Fred Rich: Christian Nation

Our guest is Fred Rich, author of the dystopian novel, “Christian Nation.” Fred is a polymath, who studied politics and policy at Princeton’s Woodrow Wilson School and pursued graduate work in moral philosophy as a Keasbey Scholar at King’s College, Cambridge. He practiced law for the past 30 years.  Newly retired, he splits his time between Manhattan and New York’s Hudson Valley where he is working on a non-fiction book about environmental politics, and several other novels.


Although this book, Christian Nation, is fiction, it does not stretch reality, it is not a conspiracy theory, it lays out exactly how, through legitimate legal means, America could become a Christian Theocracy.  The wall of separation is vulnerable. In the spirit of Philip Roth's The Plot Against America, one of America's foremost lawyers lays out in chilling detail what such a future might look like: constitutional protections dismantled; all aspects of life dominated by an authoritarian law called "The Blessing," enforced by a reconfigured Internet known as the "Purity Web." Those who defy this system, among them the narrator, live on the edges of society, sustained by the belief that democracy will rise to triumph over such tyrannical oppression.


This show was taped on February 21st, 2015. 


"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" introduction by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU

"Never Know" by Jack Johnson

Youtube trailer for the book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxrkXdnlzks

“Ashielf Pi” by E.S. Posthumus

“This Land is Your Land” by Woody Guthrie


Literature referenced:  

It Can’t Happen Here, Sinclair Lewis

The Plot Against America, Philip Roth

The Handmaid’s Tale, Margaret Atwood

Republican Gomorrah, Max Blumenthal

Kingdom Coming, Michelle Goldberg

American Fascists, Chris Hedges

Empire of Illusion, Chris Hedges

American Theocracy, Kevin Phillips

At the Smithville Methodist Church, Stephen Dunn






Direct download: Episode_34_Fred_Rich.mp3
Category:atheism -- posted at: 3:16pm CDT

Episode 33 - Jim Henderson

Author Jim Henderson has been featured in The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Fox Television, and This American Life with Ira Glass. He’s a former pastor now spiritual anthropologist. His books include Evangelism Without Additives, The Outsider Interviews, The Resignation of Eve, and his latest, Question Mark about spiritual pride and the downfall of Mark Driscoll.  

Jim prescribes what he calls “otherlyness.”  1) be interested in others, 2) stay in the room with difference, and 3) stop comparing your best with the worst of others.  Jim’s mission is, in his own words, to Take Jesus Public, and once again Cass finds himself talking to a Christian with whom he gets along really well.  Unfortunately Bob was out of town and had to miss this taping. This show was taped on February 14th, 2015.


"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" introduction by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU

"Never Know" by Jack Johnson

All other music by Jim Henderson

Books discussed:

“To Change the World” by James Davison Hunter

“Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities, and Software” by Steven Johnson

“The Shack” William P. Young










Direct download: Episode_33_-_Jim_Henderson.mp3
Category:general -- posted at: 10:01pm CDT

Episode 32 - Ryan Bell, Year Without God

Our guest is Ryan Bell, the Year Without God pastor.  His experiement proved fatal to his faith but Ryan holds onto the good and embarks on a new journy, like many of us have, reconstructing his own "how now shall I live."  A 7th Day Adventist pastor for 20 years, Ryan could no longer harmonize his reality with his religion.  We also talk about the President's prayer breakfast and the mutual exclusivity of love and power.  

"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" introduction by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU
"Never Know" by Jack Johnson
"Losing My Religion" by REM 
"World" by Five for Fighting
Direct download: Episode_32_-_Ryan_Bell.mp3
Category:atheism -- posted at: 2:18pm CDT

Episode 31 - Geoff Wilkerson
Geoff grew up Church of Christ Lite, attended Oklahoma Christian for undergrad but 9/11 happened his senior year so he enlisted in the Army. His time in Iraq was a big transition and by the time he got back, he had come to question a lot of the things he'd believed for a long time, including his religious faith. He became very interested in politics and foreign policy as a result. He works in Cybersecurity at Seagate in OKC.
He considers his current state to be a step beyond his old views, rather than an abandonment of them. He doesn't harbor any ill will towards the church or the people I knew in that community. He still agrees with a large portion of Jesus's teachings. Geoff is a true agsnotic. He's open to the possibility of divinity, just doesn't believe there is compelling evidence.
Geoff loves his life.  He is happily married to an extraordinary woman, enjoys his job, lives close to his family, and considers himself privileged. He's traveled to 40 countries on 5 continents and made long-lasting friendships all along the way. 
"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" introduction by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU
"I Am Mine" by Pearl Jam
Direct download: Episode_31_-_Geoff_final.mp3
Category:atheism -- posted at: 2:56pm CDT

Episode 30 - Wendy

Moving from the NE 10 years ago, Wendy had a head-on collision with the Christian dominance of the South and she hasn't recovered yet.  Hear her story, told with honesty and New Jersey vernacular.   

Direct download: Episode_30_-_Wendy.mp3
Category:atheism -- posted at: 5:47pm CDT

Episode 29 - Pastor Tony Woodall

Tony was raised in the Church of Christ here in Tennessee.  He was moved by signs and wonders to Charismatic Pentacostalism.  But it all imploded and life spiraled downward.  When he returned years later to ministry, it was all about Love and helping those in need.  He's a good ole Southern boy with a big heart!    

Direct download: Episode_29_-_Tony_Woodall.mp3
Category:spirituality -- posted at: 2:19pm CDT

Episode 28 - Brandon Fibbs

Brandon Fibbs, the son of two generations of Assembly of God ministers, let science lead him to a new Truth.  Brandon lives in Los Angeles, works in the TV/movie industry including on "Cosmos" w/ Neil DeGrasse Tyson.  

Direct download: Episode_28_-_Brandon_Fibbs.mp3
Category:atheism -- posted at: 4:45pm CDT

Episode 27 - Neil Carter

Former Baptist zealot, Neil Carter, now blogs as "Godless in Dixie."  Hear his story and the great cost of being openly secular in Mississippi.  

Direct download: Episode_27_-_Neil_Carter.mp3
Category:humanism -- posted at: 1:27pm CDT

Episode 26 - year in review

Bob & Cass talk about what they learned from each guest, and how the podcast and their personal journeys have evolved as a result.  A survey of all 19 guests and the pilgrimage they started 6 months ago.  Happy Holidays and Happy New Year everybody!  

Direct download: episode_26_-_2014_in_review.mp3
Category:general -- posted at: 5:58pm CDT