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Everyone's Agnostic Podcast

Cass & Marie interview people you don’t know, about a subject no one wants to talk about. We hope to encourage people in the process of deconstructing their faith and help curb the loneliness that accompanies it. We think the world is a better place when more people live by sight, not by faith.

May 16, 2015

Cass and Bob interview Eli, a YouTuber that goes by the name Purple Fox. Eli got saved at a Young Life camp as a teenager but by the time he was 20 was convinced it was all untrue and yet still found himself in ministry. His journey is described in detail in a YouTube series called Deconversion parts 1 thru 6.  This episode hits the bullseye of what this podcast is all about. 

The deconversion process can be very traumatic.  Christianity is an identity-forming idea and Eli conveys just how devastating it can be to emerge as a young adult and realize your identity is not real. In the mid-2000s, Eli couldn’t understand why more people weren’t talking about this, so he made the videos. 10 years later, the web is packed with ex-Christian material and as the recent Pew research shows: Christianity is shrinking and those leaving their religious affiliation is booming.  

The first hour is our talk with Eli, followed by Bob and Cass' commentary.   

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J. L. Schellenberg and Divine Hiddenness 

Book: “Mistakes Were Made, but Not By Me” by Carol Tavris & Elliot Aronson

Book: Jonathan Haidt - "The Righteous Mind"

The New True Charlie Woo movie by Bob Pondillo


"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" intro by Hank Green

Intro bumper "Never Know" by Jack Johnson

All other music by Cass Midgley