Everyone's Agnostic Podcast
Cass & Bob interview people you don't know about a subject no one wants to talk about--losing faith in the supernatural.
Episode 118 Pastor Stan Mitchell

Cass interviews Pastor Stan Mitchell. His church is called GracePoint right here in the Nashville area, and he’s been a source of a lot of controversy in the last few years, not only in his embrace of LGBTQ congregants but an overall reformation of what it means to be Christian.

Stan started preaching in the Oneness Pentecostal vein at age 16. He didn’t have a skeptical thought toward his Christianity until his early 20s. We were colleagues at Vanderbilt Divinity School. Stan’s personal evolution has brought us today, the most honest version of himself he’s ever lived. He hasn’t lost his faith entirely, but he has lost his certainty. As with so many of the Christians interviewed on this podcast, they deconstruct theology and embrace science and reality to their best ability and find when the smoke clears that there remains a Jesus they can keep and honor and heed.  This spectrum of how much of the old narrative is salvageable and redemptive is a recurring question in this movement, and while some of us have burned the whole house down, others find value in sifting through the rubble for keepsakes. Perhaps it’s sentimental; perhaps its comfortable. We don’t care as long as we’re stemming the tide of radical religious fundamentalism and its toxic effect on the survival of our species. At the end of Cass' talk with Stan, Bob and Cass discuss the conversation, and tag onto to the end a 21 minute excerpt from a Pete Holmes episode of “You Made it Weird” w/ guest Hasan Minhaj, a correspondent from the daily show. They discuss these very tensions of anti-theism versus a redemptive post-theism.

We taped these conversations on September 17th, 2016. We hope to encourage people in the process of deconstructing their faith and curb the loneliness that accompanies it. We think the world is a better place when more people live by sight, not by faith. Please subscribe to our podcast, give it 5 stars, and/or leave a review wherever you listen to podcasts. Our show is available on most podcast platforms.  Also, you can support us monetarily in two easy ways: on a per episode basis through Patreon; that’s www.patreon.com/eapodcast, or leave a donation through PayPal at our website, www.everyonesagnostic.com.

Credits:
"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" intro by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU
Intro bumper "Never Know" by Jack Johnson
The segue music is by Sam Maher recorded on a handpan in the NY subway.

Thanks for listening and be a yes-sayer to what is.

http://gracepointe.net/

News report on Stan’s church

http://quillette.com/2016/09/23/is-the-new-atheism-movement-irrelevant/

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/nerdist-industries/you-made-it-weird-with-pete-holmes/e/hasan-minhaj-46258981

 

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Episode 117 Jeff Loken

Bob and Cass interview Jeff Loken, another Minnesotan listener who reached out to us to share his story. When a fellow Lutheran friend lost his faith, Jeff felt called of God to rescue the apostate by sharpening his apologetic skills and engaging in a 2 year dialogue with him, only to discover that in the end he had lost the argument and had too much personal integrity to use the smart-bomb of faith to wipe out his cognitive dissonances, or trick himself into thinking that works. He had to admit, to himself, his wife and parents, that he couldn’t believe it any longer.

Jeff points to an argument made by J.L. Schellenberg called nonresistant nonbelief, which is very similar to the concept of divine hiddenness. This argument says that if God exists (and is perfectly good and loving) every reasonable person would be brought to believe in God; however, there are reasonable nonbelievers; therefore, this God does not exist.

Here’s an excerpt from Schellenberg’s book, The Wisdom of Doubt:

“Consider those who have always believed in God and who would love to go on believing in God but who have found, as adults, that serious and honest examination of all the evidence of experience and argument they can lay their hands on has unexpectedly had the result of eroding their belief away. These are individuals who were happy and morally committed believers and who remain morally committed but are not longer happy because of the emotional effects of an intellectual reorganization involving the removal of theistic belief. Perhaps they will be happy again, but the point is that for the time being, it is the removal of theistic belief that they are inclined to resist, if anything. For they were still on friendly terms with God and benefitting in a variety of ways from what they took to be contact with God when their belief in the existence of such a being was whisked away.” (The Wisdom to Doubt, p. 205)

Bob and Cass fell in love with Jeff and his Midwestern cultural modesty. He’s a sharp, humble guy trying to be honest about his lack of faith without letting the transition destroy his life.

We taped these conversations on September 11th, 2016. If you’re liking our show, please subscribe to it, give it 5 stars, and/or leave a review on iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts.  Also, you can support us monetarily on a per episode basis through our Patreon page. That’s www.patreon.com/eapodcast. Or leave a donation through PayPal at our website, www.everyonesagnostic.com.

Credits:

"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" intro by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU
Intro bumper "Never Know" by Jack Johnson
The segue music is “Hard To Be,"

Thanks for listening and be a yes-sayer to what is.

Jeff’s Blog – Real Live Actual Blog

Schellenberg’s Defense of Nonresistant Nonbelief / Divine Hiddenness - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/secularoutpost/2014/11/14/schellenbergs-defense-of-nonresistant-nonbelief-divine-hiddenness/#sthash.MbZzTHDN.dpuf

David Bazan “Curse Your Branches” full album on YouTube

 

 

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Episode 116 Marie Kent

Today Cass and Bob interview Marie Kent, an ex-Christian Preacher's kid who recently took over the “My Book of Mormon podcast” from David Michael. Marie is a computer programmer by day and a nerd by night. She was raised Baptist and has left Christianity, but like many, she finds religion fascinating. She wonders how it is that so many people believe they’ve found the ‘right’ god, yet that version of god changes so drastically. Many people who were never religious, like David Michael, the founder of the podcast Marie now co-hosts, were driven by their curiosity to read the sacred texts of religions in hopes of understanding why so many people have given their lives to this. He decided to read the entire Book of Mormon on the air, word for word, with commentary. Perhaps we can see in a few passages some truths that people could latch onto, and also discover passages so inane, at best, or morally repugnant at worst that they merit outright rejection.  

Marie Kent works in the same office as our former guest on episode 108, Marie LePage (which was a great episode). But Marie Kent is a pastor’s kid from Minneapolis. Marie underwent sexual abuse from a boy in the youth group for 7 years, right under the nose of the church. Like so often happens, there were opportunities along the way for ethical adults to intervene, rescue Marie, and stop the predator, but they chose to protect themselves, the perpetrator, and the status quo leaving Marie to bear it alone.   

We taped these conversations on August 28th, 2016. If you’re liking our show, please subscribe to it, give it 5 stars, and/or leave a review on iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts.  Also, you can support us monetarily on a per episode basis through our Patreon page. That’s www.patreon.com/eapodcast. Or leave a donation through PayPal at our website, www.everyonesagnostic.com.

Credits:
"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" intro by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU
Intro bumper "Never Know" by Jack Johnson
The segue music is by Sam Maher recorded on a handpan in the NY subway.
Thanks for listening and be a yes-sayer to what is.

Marie Kent’s podcast “My Book of Mormon”

 

 

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Episode 115 Chris Johnson

We have the good fortune of talking with the writer and director of a new documentary called “A Better Life: An Exploration of Joy and Meaning in a World Without God,” Chris Johnson.  You may have seen a screening of it at the Reason Reason Rally. Chris Johnson is a New York-based photographer and filmmaker. He received his undergraduate degree in film production (along with a minor in religious studies) from Concordia University in Montreal, Quebec. His photography has been seen in various outlets, including The New York Times. He is the author of the coffee table photography book, “A Better Life: 100 Atheists Speak Out on Joy & Meaning in a World without God” that later was made into this documentary. Chris has traveled the world with A Better Life, and continues to do so, speaking and screening the film in over 60 cities on four continents.

For the book, Johnson interviewed many prominent atheist figures such as Richard Dawkins, Steven Pinker, Dan Dennett, Derren Brown, Pat Churchland, Julia Sweeney, David Silverman, Penn & Teller, to name a few, plus many every-day people. He has given talks on atheism and his work at conferences, universities, non-profit organizations, and community groups. In addition, he has also been a guest on numerous podcasts, radio and TV shows around the globe.

Chris is the recipient of the Kodak Award for Excellence in Filmmaking as well as the B.F. Lorenzetti Scholarship for Excellence in Filmmaking. Additionally, Chris sits on the Secular Board of Advisors, as well as the board of Openly Secular. And he’s 8 episodes into his own podcast, A Better Life, and it’s really good. Chris is truly a professional.

For more information on Chris’s work and how you can purchase or rent your own copy of the documentary , visit: www.theatheistbook.com

We taped these conversations on August 27th, 2016. If you’re liking our show, please subscribe to it, give it 5 stars, and/or leave a review on iTunes, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts.  Also, you can support us monetarily on a per episode basis through our Patreon page. That’s www.patreon.com/eapodcast. Or leave a donation through PayPal at our website, www.everyonesagnostic.com.

Credits:
"Towering Mountain of Ignorance" intro by Hank Green https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3v3S82TuxU
Intro bumper "Never Know" by Jack Johnson
The segue music is by Sam Maher recorded on a handpan in the NY subway.

Thanks for listening and be a yes-sayer to what is.

You can find more information on the book/film/podcast/tour at: www.theatheistbook.com

You can support the tour/podcast here: https://www.patreon.com/theatheistbook

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJXD6r9d78

Who's in the film?

The film version of A Better Life features a selection of those from the book — atheists from around the world from many different backgrounds and professions. They include best-selling authors, award winning artists and scientists, and many well-known public personalities and figures including:

  • A.C. Grayling, Philosopher, author and Master of the New College of the Humanities.
  • Adam Pascal, Musician/Actor, created the role of "Roger" in the musical RENT.
  • AJ Johnson, Vice president and co-founder, Be Secular.
  • Alex Honnold, Rock climber, featured on 60 Minutes & the cover of National Geographic Magazine.
  • Andrew Copson, Chief Executive, British Humanist Association.
  • Cara Santa Maria, Co-host and Producer, TakePart Live on Pivot TV.
  • Dan Barker, Co-president, Freedom From Religion Foundation.
  • Daniel Dennett, Philosopher, author, and cognitive scientist, Tufts University.
  • Donald C. Johanson, Paleoanthropologist, Arizona State University. Discovered the fossil of the hominid australopithecine known as "Lucy."
  • Helena Guzik, Online Publications Assistant, The Metropolitan Museum of Art.
  • Julia Sweeney, Actress, comedian & author.
  • Matt Dillahunty, Speaker/co-cost; The Atheist Experience.
  • Nahla Mahmoud, Environmentalist/Human Rights Activist.
  • Patricia S. Churchland, Neurophilosopher, University of California San Diego.
  • Robert Llewellyn, Writer, TV presenter, speaker, actor (Red Dwarf), electric vehicle evangelist.
  • Sean Carroll, Theoretical Physicist, California Institute of Technology.
  • Tracie Harris, Speaker/co-cost; The Atheist Experience.

 

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